Comments on: Issaquah school board asked to remove Pledge of Allegiance from meetings

By: diumb

diumb — Mon, 13 Dec 2010 19:12:42 +0000

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By: Mufasa

Mufasa — Tue, 05 Jan 2010 23:14:12 +0000

Oh brother! What is wrong with this Barry guy? Sad that he has kids! Go be productive in something that really matters! This ain’t it.

By: Alonzo Fyfe

Alonzo Fyfe — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:25:41 +0000

My objection to the Pledge is its message that those who do not support a nation under God are to be equated to those who do not support a nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

The purpose of the Pledge is to condemn as un-American those who would support rebellion, tyranny, and injustice. The reason the words ‘under God’ was added in the 1950s is because McCarthy-era Americans wanted to add atheism to this list of un-Americanisms. From that day forward, children were to be taught that any person who does not support a nation ‘under God’ was just as contemptible as one who supported rebellion, tyranny, or injustice.

By: Sean

Sean — Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:57:28 +0000

Maybe I haven’t matured since I was in 5th grade (I’m 55)), but I STILL find reciting the pledge of allegiance, with or without mentioning dubious deities, a stupid waste of time. What. Is. The. Point? Smacks of brainwashing. (Plus I will personally vouch for the antipathy of kids toward a “weirdo” who doesn’t follow the (moo) crowd. )

By: Chuck

Chuck — Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:02:33 +0000

I hear you Phil. I also think about the return on investment here. History shows us that most of our colonial forefathers were men of enlightenment, and not personally devout to Christianity. In fact they were looking to escape the Church specifically.

However, to win favor with the masses when it came to acts of state (and more importantly garnering votes), religion found its way into the US government. Examples of this are everywhere, the declaration of independence, the pledge, our currency, monuments, and etc.

The fact is that as long as Christians remain influential in the US, so will be Christianity. So the question becomes, “is the juice worth the squeeze?”. While ridding government of religion may seem non-poignant to those in Issaquah, on a larger level it would be wildly distracting and divisive, and certainly would not happen in our lifetimes.

So we are left with a decision. Can we address aspects of religion in our government like they are simply historical traditions? Or do we mount a fruitless fight?

Remembering that I’m neither a devout Christian nor Atheist, I wonder how many of the professed Issaquah Atheists did not give their kids any Christmas presents this year.

By: Phil

Phil — Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:36:08 +0000

Julie wrote: “I am tired of parents changing traditions because they are insulted.”

Why keep a tradition that insults people?

Red wrote: “But then why should you mind if I do want to recite the Pledge?”

Removing the pledge from the school board meeting doesn’t prevent you from saying the pledge. You can say it all you like. At home. In church. Right before the meeting. Right after the meeting. Heck, you can even whisper it to yourself during the meeting. Your rights won’t be affected in the least. All that will happen is that the school board will stop insulting some of its constituents.

Chuck wrote: “it is a profoundly personal and private choice.”

You’re right, Chuck. It’s a PRIVATE choice. That’s why, like the atheist said, it’s not the government’s business asking citizens to stand and tell everyone what their PRIVATE choice is. It’s always a bad idea when Big Brother sticks its nose in religion. It shouldn’t tell us we’re “under God” and it shouldn’t tell us we’re “not under God.” It should keep its mouth shut on the entire topic. That’s how we get TRUE freedom — when the government butts out.

By: Chuck

Chuck — Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:20:37 +0000

“God” can mean whatever you decide it means. Ancients believed God to be a state of mind, or enlightenment, to the wonders of the natural world and science (the same science that proved the world wasn’t flat), and not a supreme being.

While I’m neither a devout Christian nor Atheist, I do believe that most people aspire to be something more than they are. Whether those aspirations are sought in the religious domain or elsewhere, it is a profoundly personal and private choice.

Recognizing the pledge is meant to unify us, if only briefly, it is incumbent on parents, not the government, to explain how best to interpret the pledge according to their own belief system. This includes a literal explanation to our children as to the purpose and meaning of the pledge, and what “God” means to all sorts of people.

Targeting an institutional tradition as the source of some kind of maligned indoctrination is a waste of time; we have better causes to pursue.

By: NP Reader

NP Reader — Wed, 30 Dec 2009 15:14:29 +0000

Until the pledge is restored to its inclusive pre-1954 verbiage, I would like to see the Issaquah School District remove the pledge from any school activities including board meetings and classroom recitation. The pledge of allegiance is an oath of loyalty to the United States of America, a country. It is NOT an oath of allegiance to any god or religion. The words “under God” were added to the pledge during the McCarthy era when people were freaked out about communism and adding the words “under God” was considered a method to distinguish the US from the “commie-lovers” in Russia. Those two words should never have been added to the pledge.

A pledge of loyalty to one’s country should be inclusive to everyone living in that country. There are many in the United States who do not believe in the existence of a god. Asking them to acknowledge the existence of a god as a prerequisite to pledging loyalty to their country is highly inappropriate.

By: Red

Red — Wed, 30 Dec 2009 04:27:00 +0000

It is certainly permissible to exclude yourself from reciting the Pledge of Allegiance. No one minds, really. But then why should you mind if I do want to recite the Pledge?

By: Bret Z

Bret Z — Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:16:24 +0000

It is pure hypocracy Christians. If you say that “If you don’t like it, don’t say it”, then don’t complain when the French ban crucifixes in schools, or ban Burkas, or when the chinese ban praying in schools. You either agree the majority has a right to rule all the time, or never, but you can’t have your cake and eat it too.

Yes, I’m an Atheist